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  • #19410
    Miah
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    Hi all,

    I’m new to this forum and while not really new to making my own pedal (I’ve dabbled in diy kits off and on for a bit) i’m stretching into new territory where I’m getting creative with the (in my opinion) very little I understand. So my intended build is this:

    input goes to a Paramix that then splits the signal to two paths

    First path: 1 ch. – BMP Fuzz w/Stage 3 booster, 2 ch. – Plexi+ w/ ToneTwEQ and a Blues Power for a booster

    Second path: 1 ch. – Add-Verb, 2 ch. – Add-Verb (reason is I want to assign each Add-Verb to each channel and have different settings on each distortion circuit)

    Now here is where I get confused, I want to be able to select/deselect the fuzz and the associated reverb from one switch, and the same with the Plexi, then I would like to be able to choose with another toggle switch whether the effects work in a stack (where both channels can be on at the same time) and have the other setting be where it’s a one or the other situation (where selecting the fuzz for instance, activates the associated reverb AND deactivates the Plexi and it’s associated reverb) can anyone help explaining to me how I would wire those switches up?

    I understand the guides that you have posted and actually, with how informative they are it has really helped me to understand more of what I was doing in other diy kits (which are really not that informative in my experience, if I was lucky enough to get instructions in english) I understand the basics of wiring in series and so on, and i have done one combo build before, but it was a circuit where one over drive stacked into another, no order switching or either or features.

    I’m enjoying reading through the posts that are already up and seeing the builds others have made (really makes me want to try some crazy stuff) but I haven’t found any that cover my question yet, so thank you in advance if you have any advice!

    Cheers!

    Miah

    #19415
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    Boy, you guys keep coming up with some tricky wiring ideas!

    After several cold ones and some serious thought, I do believe this can be done.  However, the Paramix does not provide for the switching you desire.  I have found a way to do all of these options by using either 2 DPDT ON-ON-ON switches or 1 4PDT ON-ON-ON switch.  The first pair of contacts are used to switch between the FUZZ chain and the PLEXI chain.  See the SUNN T switch wiring for that configuration.  The second pair of contacts are used to switch between two different REVERB pots on the ADVERB like a 2KNOB JOB.  The ADVERB is wired after the two effects chains.

    If you need a wiring diagram, please advise and give me some time to prepare.

    #19416
    Miah
    Participant

    Wilkie1,

    That sounds like what I’m shooting for, except that part of the purpose for the reverb going to a different signal path was so that I could blend clean reverb sounds with OD/Dist/Fuzz sounds. I will check the sunn t wiring diagram and see if I can figure that out, but if you have time to help with making a diagram to guide this I would really appreciate that, as again I am somewhat not expert on this and I think I’m stretching my expertise trying to adapt other wiring guides to my specific desire and not sure if I’m correct. I have no pressing time needs, after all this is just a project that I cooked up trying to grt better understanding and play around with ideas.

    #19417
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    Would you prefer to have the ADVERB BEFORE each of the two paths?  If so, I will draw it up that way.

    #19418
    Miah
    Participant

    I’m not sure I follow… Do you mean that each path would have one of the distortions and one of the adverbs, and then maybe a blender so that I could blend the Un-distorted clean/reverb tone with the distortion tones? If so that might just work… I hadn’t thought of that.

    Actually, that sounds really cool, because then I’d have 2 separate reverb and distortion paths that could create some interesting results on the output side… So yes, that would be awesome and achieve mostly what I’m looking to do

    #19419
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    No.  I was thinking that you would only need one ADVERB and place it first in line from the guitar.  Then proceed to the switch to select the fuzz or the Plexi path or both.  The second part of the switch would let you select two different REVERB pots so you could set two different reverb levels as you switch between the fuzz or the plexi paths.  When BOTH paths are selected (in the middle switch position) one of the reverb settings would apply.

    Is this OK?

    #19420
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    Of course, you could use TWO ADVERBS.  Just advise.

    #19421
    Miah
    Participant

    OK… So I’m going to sit down and re-draw my path and get back to you. Thank you for the help so far, just thinking of the chain in a different order opened my mind up a bit

    #19424
    Miah
    Participant

    Wilkie1,

    Ok, so (I’m a visual guy, hence why I like your guides so much) while I don’t have the graphic stuff you guys use, to help illustrate what I’m trying to do, and then what is in my mind based off your suggestion here is a signal path map I whipped up trying to make sure that I’m visualizing what your saying right.

    Here is my original intent with this idea:

    and here is how I visualize what you were talking about… but I think I’m probably wrong:

    The most important thing I would like to be able to do (if what I am asking isn’t possible) is to have two channels (that by selecting one turns off the other) one channel would have a clean signal split to put one signal through Fuzz and the other through Reverb and blend them, the second channel would have a clean signal split to put one through Plexi and the other through Reverb and blend them. It would be nice to be able to have stacking available on this but not critical.

    #19425
    Miah
    Participant

    So upon another beer and thinking about this further… it is entirely possible… and probable… that I am trying to bite off more than I can chew at my level of inexperience… maybe a better way to start would be this question

    How would I go about wiring 4 foot switches where it would look like this:

    2 channels each with their own booster

    1 channel is Plexi

    2 channel is Fuzz

    channel 1 active cancels channel 2

    channel 2 active cancels channel 1

    both channels could be off (complete bypass)

    boosts operate only for their respective channel

     

    I think tackling that would be a good start to (eventually) working my way towards this idea

    #19439
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    I am working on a diagram for this.  I will also add the ADVERB with separate reverb levels for each channel.  Stay tuned.

    #19446
    Miah
    Participant

    OK! I’m excited to see how you approach this, as I have no idea and what ever I can pick from your brain seems like a fantastic idea!

    #19448
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    i Believe this covers the functions you requested.  You could add another bypass FS for the ADVERB if you desire.  Enjoy.

    #19449
    Miah
    Participant

    Wilkie1,

    Thank you so much for taking the time to do this! Just so I’m clear on the function of stuff there, does loop select basically operate as a one or the other type of switch for the plexi/Fuzz circuits? It looks like this will do the trick, when I get this built up I’ll definitely post up some pics!

    #19450
    wilkie1
    Moderator

    Correct!

    #19451
    Miah
    Participant

    Fantastic!

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